"Have you noticed that, about the Greeks? They called it ob skena - off stage. All the violence happens in between the scenes and we’re just told about it later. It becomes about the morality behind the action, not the action itself.

That’s where we get the word obscene. Though now obscenity is in vogue on stage, or on film. Audiences crave it. We’ve gotten so obsessed with realism in our escapism that they feel cheated to talk about death but not see it."

Maxine collects stories, and maybe something else too. Oliver wouldn't necessarily say they have a story to share. Agree to disagree.